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Larry Jones

It's frustrating to see the electorate getting ready to vote Republican in the midterms because the Democrats haven't fixed everything yet. I believe Obama and the rest of his party are far more interested in making things good for the vast majority of Americans than the Republicans are, but they are trying to recover from systemic problems that go all the way back to the Reagan administration. They have a mess to mop up, and then they have to correct the political/economic environment that led to the current meltdown. This is easily an eight-year process, but Americans have grown lazy, entitled and thoughtless, and we don't want to wait.

On the plus side, Gallup generic polling ("Are you more likely to vote for a generic Republican or a generic Democrat?")showed Republicans leading 51% to 41% a week ago, and today the same poll is tied at 46%. There is a possibility that as the election gets closer and people start paying attention, they will come to their senses.

Probably not, though.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

Now I want a focus on long-term debt reduction.

How very serious of Andy. And fvcking stupid. All the Villagers want to be Herbert Hoover, Jr. because it's the hot new thing.

Dopes. The way to reduce the deficit is to get people back to work. Whinging about the deficit (after 8 years of not giving a damn while shrub doubled the national debt) now is just like joining the consensus that Iraq is a danger to the U.S. and must be invaded.
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Jennifer

They'll keep hammering Obama, while not doing a thing

That's what I feel.

This morning I was telling Grizzled that I almost hoped enough wingnut teabaggers would be elected so the GOP would have to deal with the monster they've created...

I told him this after receiving an email asking me to pray for the GOP to win, win, win!!! So they could take back the country from these fools who were ruining it! It's like 2000-2008 never happened.

Brando

This morning I was telling Grizzled that I almost hoped enough wingnut teabaggers would be elected so the GOP would have to deal with the monster they've created...

I think that's what's likely to happen.

Larry's got a good point about the impatience of the electorate, but I blame the Democrats for letting the Baggers grab the mic. Conservatives will always act like conservatives, screaming against progress, liberalism, regulations, non-missionary-position intercourse, etc.

The problem is that this administration and Congress have done a piss-poor job of communicating what they're doing as well as taking the bold steps needed to fix the mess. In 1933, FDR made it clear he was breaking with the do-nothing policies of 1920s administrations. His policies had a lot of missteps, but a battered, beaten-down electorate felt like their president was trying to do something. That's how he kept people like Father James Coughlin and Huey Long from seizing the national mantle for change.

That boldness has been lacking the last two years, which has allowed the new Coughlin (Beck) and Huey-Long-in-Nipple-Zippers to control the debate. So here comes a big fat lesson akin to the 1994 off-year election.

The one potential positive side is that it may force the Baggers to overplay their hand before the putting the snowbilly on the ticket, giving Obama a chance to act more like the candidate he was instead of the president he's become.

Blaiser

I keep wondering if it would make any difference if all of us who were elated by Obama's election get out there, door to door even, and try to sway some minds before the midterm elections. I'd be up for it.

Dennis Perrin

To paraphrase Preston Sturges, HOPE isn't dead -- it's decomposed.

No matter how often and openly the Dems show their true face, some of you still don't get it. Well, eventually you will, along with the rest of us.

Blaiser

Dennis,

Bringing snotty arrogance to the table just decomposes the conversation...

Dennis Perrin

Blaiser, the arrogance comes not from me, but from the Dems. I'm not lying to you or trying to sell you something. Nor am I shredding poor people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia and spinning that as self-defense. That would be the current president. Not me.

Brando

If someone is arrogant about someone else's arrogance, is that a positive, like multiplying two negative numbers together? I admit math was not my strongest subject.

blue girl

I'll tell you what's arrogant. Someone expecting me to rip out all my landscaping!

MB

I don't know 'bout arrogance, but I'm pretty sure the Pope, of all people, is Gay. Hubris seems a more apropos tangent to the original post.

Though I suppose the Dems have definitely shown little of that. More venality than hubris or arrogance from them. It's just couched in confusion and aimed at everyone indiscriminately. At least they've got that going for 'em. Republicans' reactionary populism is about as sincere as Stalin's sense of Social Justice. {sigh}

Brando

I'll tell you what's arrogant. Someone expecting me to rip out all my landscaping!

LOL, agreed. Also, accusations that someone lost a cookie contest only because you cheated.

Larry Jones

So Dennis, are you just shitting in the daffodils for fun, or do you have a suggestion for a way forward? In case you haven't noticed, we only have two parties to work with here, and while it's easy to get all pouty about the Democratic "betrayal," their positions on practical matters that affect my life are better than those of the Republicans, and before you start with the "lesser of two evils" speech, get over it. That's life.

Now c'mon, give me a hug.

Larry Jones

Brando - Excellent comment, even if now all I can remember is "Huey-Long-in-Nipple-Zippers."

What's a nipple zipper, anyway?

Dennis Perrin

Larry, you seem to have life figured out. I wouldn't dream of offering alternatives, especially when the Dems help expand and refine the police state, expand wars, bail out corporations, further empower the insurance industry, and generally cater to those who own the country.

Happy that you've found a practical place amid all this. Congrats.

blue girl

I wouldn't dream of offering alternatives

Cop-out!

Jennifer

I'll tell you what's arrogant. Someone expecting me to rip out all my landscaping!

And take away the surprises of the first year of owning that landscaping?? That's kind of fun... seeing what pops up, what you want to keep, what you might want to change.

Although, I'm game for ripping out the political landscaping and starting over.

Larry Jones

Dennis: Your first comment was patronizing ("...some of you still don't get it."), insulting and demoralizing to anyone who hopes for a better future. Pardon me for responding to the tone more than the content, but since you present yourself as one with superior insight to "some of us," I thought it was fair to ask what your suggestions are. I'm guessing you're not going to mention any of them here, but I don't get the point of simply repeating your litany of grievances that some of us are too stupid to see.

And if my response was insulting, well, that's fair, too, don't you think?

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